Monday, July 2, 2007

(土)Thoreau's Civil Disobedience, Part II


A few words about Thoreau

Henry David Thoreau spent one night in jail because he didn't pay tax money that could be used to attack Mexico. He disagreed with slavery, and the government supported slavery in the South.
Thoreau was born (1817-1862) in Concord, Massachusetts. He had many jobs. He was an American author, philosopher (哲学者), poet, and environmental scientist. Actually, he lived in the forest for a few years and wrote Walden about his life there.

He was informed by variety of philosophies. He was familiar with modern philosophy and he studied ancient scriptures (聖書) carefully, classical Greek and Roman philosophy, and literature of Asian traditions. Many people were influenced by Thoreau's philosophy; for example, his friend, Emerson, and the German idealists.

In 1837, he began to write. In "Civil Disobedience," he insisted that people should act on what they believe to be right. He said that people in the U.S have strong patriotism (愛国心) and that it often causes them not to doubt what the government does. He felt frustration with the people who disagreed with the attack on Mexico but did not resist the government. By not paying his poll tax, he wanted to show the importance of acting on one's conscience (良心). Our conscience is ours alone. No one can give it to us. No one can take care of it for us.

CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE (part 2 of 3 parts)

You must act on your conscience

Paragraph 1
Thoreau said that people have patriotism, and that this causes them not to do the right thing. Although they know the government's actions are not good, they don' try resisting the government because of their patriotism. The United States has two distinct areas, the South and the North. Each has a different attitude toward slavery. Thoreau wonders why they don't separate. Slavery does not fit their conscience.

Paragraph 2
All people have a conscience. Thoreau thinks we should not be satisfied simply to have a good opinion. You must act under your opinion. For example, if someone steals your money, what will you do? You will try to get your money back and try to prevent the person from stealing money from you again. In the same way, the people should reject slavery.

Paragraph 3
Generally, people want to reform unjust(不正な)laws, but only a few people are willing to act. So such persons act by themselves. A few people begin to realize that they are right. Many people don't act by themselves. They see a wise man as a crazy man. Christ, Copernicus, and Luther are respected by people long after their deaths, but they were treated badly for acting on their conscience. Thoreau thinks that we should all act on our conscience.

In my understanding, according to Thoreau's ideas, if I meet a new situation, I have to decide whether it is right or not. I must think according to my conscience and have to act myself. Some time it may be difficult for me, but if I stop acting for myself, it means that I will be acting for the sake of others. I will be like a machine.

Ai Muroya

When to stop the machine

Paragraph 4
There were various laws for each crime. For example, if a man stole money, he would be put in prison for a certain number of months. It is decided in advance how long a prison sentence each crime deserves. However, in Thoreau's time, there was no clear penalty for resisting the government by not paying taxes, so Thoreau was put in prison for an undetermined period of time. There was no clear penalty for not paying one's tax. If a man stole money, it only means that he wants money, but if Thoreau or someone else chooses not to pay the tax for reasons of conscience, it means he doesn't support the government. This is perhaps why the penalty jail time remained unlimited.

Paragraph 5
Thoreau thinks of the government as a machine. A machine is not a person and does not have the power of living beings. Machines never accomplish anything without people's assistance; they need people power. Like many machines, the government has many parts. Some parts may be bad. They may not work well or they may be annoying. For instance, the chain on a bike is annoying, because it is dirty. However, some of these annoying parts are necessary for the machine to work well, and we cannot do anything about it. It is not worth the trouble of going against the whole government simply because it is not perfect. However, if the government begins to require its citizens to support terrible actions (like slavery and stupid wars), the people should reject the entire government, and not just parts of it. This is what Thoreau means when he writes, "Let your life be a counter friction to the machine." A "counter friction" is an obstacle to the machine; it makes the machine slow down and stop. Thoreau thought that it was time not to obey the government, because the government was not bad only in parts, it was bad as a whole.

Paragraph 6
Thoreau doesn't think people can change the government by the ways which are given by the government. It cost people too much time to change whole government. People were born not to change the government and make the whole world better but simply to live in the world. Therefore, no one person has the responsibility of changing the whole world or improving the whole government. The important things is not to do what you think is bad, even if the thing is an order of the government. Not doing what you know is wrong is a duty for everyone. The duty can be found in their conscience.

Paragraph 7
Thoreau thinks people who were against the government should act on their opinions. They shouldn't wait until they are a part of the majority. Not all majority groups are right. The most important thing is to be free to follow one's conscience. If most believe the wrong thing and only one man believes the right thing, the big group seems to be a majority in general, but from the viewpoint of who is more right, the man single man is in fact in the majority. Thoreau argued this way to encourage his fellow abolitionists not to hesitate in fighting against slavery.

I learned from Thoreau that is important to explain and support my opinions with theory. When he wants to say that we shouldn't obey a bad government, he describes the government as a machine. It is easy to understand and a persuasive explanation. There is much persuasion in his opinion, but if I were alive in that period, I couldn't support him. I don't have as much courage as he had. To act different from the majority of people is too difficult. Still, I admire him for his courage.

Nao Iwakawa

The importance of obeying one's conscience

Paragraph 8
Thoreau has a neighbor who collects taxes for the government. Thoreau wonders whether the officer will treat him kindly or be rude. If he acts on the basis of his conscience and is honest, he may treat Thoreau justly; but he is a tax collector. If he does his job unquestioningly, he will put Thoreau in jail. Thoreau thinks many people do not obey their conscience because they fear the government. He thinks that the more honestly people act, the sooner slavery will disappear, because there will be no one to support the government and it will not be able to continue war and slavery.


Paragraph 9
The government imprisons people who do not pay their taxes. However, Thoreau thinks that prison is the best place for him because in prison he can be an example of resistance to the government. In prison, he can confirm that his true idea is much better and more stronger than the government's wrong idea. The government attacks Mexico to widen slavery and its actions are violent and bloody. Contrary to this, not paying taxes is not violent and bloody. The government wants to get more money because carrying out the war takes a lot of money, and Thoreau thinks that if many people refuse to pay their taxes, the government may have to give up the war and stop supporting slavery. The government needs public officers to gather taxes, and Thoreau thinks the war and slavery will be finished if government workers quit their jobs and refuse to obey it.    

Paragraph 10
Thoreau regards having more money as having less goodness. If we have much money, we do not care of paying money very much. For example, if you had 100,000,000 yen and you want to buy brand-named goods that cost 100,000 yen, you would not hesitate to buy them. However, if you have only 1,000 yen, you would think carefully about what you should pay or buy and whether you need it or not. Therefore, people who have a lot of money pay their taxes easily and purchase things easily and do not think about the consequences of their tax-paying or of their buying things. They do not think about slavery or unjust wars. The government treats people who pay taxes kindly and helps them to stay rich. Speaking about money, Thoreau discusses the following story from the Bible:

Some followers of Jesus asked Jesus, "You say that you are our leader. Should we give our tax money to you, then, or to Caesar?" When asking Jesus this question, they wanted to test him. If he said, "to Caesar," then, they might think, Caesar would seem more powerful than Jesus. But if Jesus said, "to me," then Jesus would do an illegal thing, by taking money that does not belong to him. Jesus answered the men by saying, "Render therefore to Caesar that which is Caesar's, and to God those things which are God's" This can be restated like this: "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." In this sentence, Caesar represents a political leader, like a president, and God represents a spiritual leader, like Buddha. The men asked God, "Should we pay taxes to you?" and he said," You should pay it not to me but to Caesar because his image is stamped on the coin and so it belongs to him." In this way, Jesus showed that there are two kinds of leaders: political and spiritual. Jesus is not a tax-collecting leader. Like Thoreau, he wants men and women to behave justly, even if the consequences of one's actions are terrible. However, unlike Thoreau, Jesus does not say whether to pay or not to pay taxes. He says that money does not concern him at all. For Thoreau, the taxes are not important as money; they are symbols of agreement or disagreement.



This means the ideas of our conscience -- of what is right and wrong -- have nothing to do with our obligations towards the government. He uses this expression to make many people realize they should obey their ideas.

In my opinion, many people don't act on their conscience because they fear losing the goverment's support. Because of this, they tend to be self-centered. I think it is important have courage enough to obey our consciences.

Ayami Ijichi


The cabin that Thoreau lived in alone for two years in Walden Pond, Massachusetts.

Laws and the Law

On paragraphs 11-14:

As we studied last week, Thoreau didn't obey the government by not paying his poll tax. The reason why he did so was that he obeyed his conscience. In contrast, since many people around him feared that their property would be endangered by acts of disobedience, they obeyed the government by paying their poll tax. Thoreau thought that if people want to live without losing their property, it is impossible to live honestly since they have to show outward respect toward the government.

After he was put in jail, he spent one night there. In the jail cell, there was a wall of stone. At first sight, we think that the wall can restrict humans because people are separated from the outside by it. This is obviously true, but Thoreau says that the prison walls can restrict only our bodies. However, how about our thoughts? Our thoughts remain free wherever we go.

The most important thing Thoreau thought about was the law of one's conscience. The laws of states are written in the plural form, "laws." However, the law of conscience is written in the singular form, "law." What is the difference between them? Each state has many laws, so there are many laws in the country. Talking about the law of conscience, each person has his or her own original standard. We can't find the same law of conscience in the world. There is only one law of conscience that each person has. In addition, if people don't obey the laws of state, they may be punished by the state. However, if they don't obey the law of their own conscience, no one punishes them, but they may have a sense of guilt. This is the biggest difference. The laws can be changed and are never perfect. However, the law of conscience remains both individual and permanent. It does not change from year to year. Therefore, Thoreau thought the law of conscience is higher than the laws of the state.

It was difficult for me to understand the essay because there are many peculiar expressions in it. When reading it, I thought that Thoreau was a brave man. It is easy to tell or think my own thoughts, but it is not so easy to act in the right way. Most of us are inclined towards others' opinions. However, we have our own will. We must carry out our intentions even if everyone around us is against us. To have a strong will, and to act on it: these are the important things that Thoreau wanted to encourage, I think.

Naoko Fujinaga

59 comments:

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play and explanation. I could understand easily.

I think Thoreau is great person.

I have a question. He was against the government and he did not pay taxes. Did the government change their mind by Thoreau's action?
Please tell me the parallel of the government for his action.

Rie Ishitsuka

kentan said...

I was convinced the words, "Thoreau thinks of the government as a machine. A machine is not a person and does not have the power of living beings. Machines never accomplish anything without people's assistance; they need people power."
I think it is hard for me to against the majority but it is important to act with following my conscience.

How was the reaction of the government when Thoreau said that the government looked like machine?

Masumi Fukuda

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation and play! I really understood well. Your topic let me dropped into deep thought. This "conscience" is so deep!
By the way, I have a question. He opposed the government considerably. In the end, did he make a successful change of situation?
Shoko Nishibeppu

kentan said...

Thank you for good presentation!

I knew only the external fact of the Civil war and slavery. I agree with the idea and act of Thoreau by this presentation.

I think it is hard to resisit the goverment, so the brave act couldn't spread over America.

Thoreau knew the reason that Thoreau's idea and obeying own concience do not spread, but do Thoreau act anything to spread the idea?

Kaori Eguchi

kentan said...

Thank you for your play.It is very fun and it was easy for me to understand.

I was satisfied this sentence "There is only one law of conscience that each person has.

Thoreau said "the government as a machine."
What do you think about it?

Hiroe Sainohira

kentan said...

I gasped with surprise at your play because we raised our hands, but no one went on the stage.
I like the opinion that each person has his or her own original standard.
Your presentation reminded me of a Japanese novel "Juryoku Pierrot" written by Kotaro Isaka. The novel also tells the importance of one's own standard. Please read it if you are interested in the novel.

Chigusa Motoyama

kentan said...

Thank you for good presentation.
I could understand very well.
By learning Thorau at this time, I think that it is important to act according to own conscience. I want to make the most of things that I learned at this time.
Did American's situation change?

Fukumoto Minami

kentan said...

Thank you for your performance.
I think Thoreau is smart.
I thought it was just resistance not to pay his taxes,but it was wrong. I understand he didn't pay so that the government give up the war and stop surpporting slavey.
How many people understood his idea and didn't pay their taxes?

Rie Osako

kentan said...

Thank you for your good drama.

Thoreau was against for the government,so he did't pay tax.
He was in a minornity.
Was he against for the majority alone? Or were there other people who sent to jail with Thoreau?

Kana Mantoku

kentan said...

Thoreau had a strong will against majority because he believed his opinion is right.He hated the war.

I hate war, too. I think most people don't like to fight or kill others, even when people must win.

To see thoreau's act, are the number of people like thoreau(
don't pay the tax) increased?


shoko yamada

kentan said...

Thank you for great play and explanation!!
I learned the importance of the conscience.I also think we should not pay money for the war.So, he wanted to show the importance of acting on one's conscience by not paying his poll tax.
Aren't there another ideas to show the importance of acting on one's conscience expect not paying his poll tax.

Yuka Kidoguchi

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation. It was very easy to understand.
From this article, I understood conscience is the most important word.

Thoreau was a brave man because he not only could say his opinion but also he could act on his opinion. I have a question. Did the government changed their idea for Thoreau’s action?

Kotomi Nakayama

kentan said...

Thank you for good presentation.I can understande about him and background that show America's problem.

I agrees with Naoko Fujinaga.
I think that Thoreau is brave man,too.
It is difficult for us to oppos majority. But Thoreau did that
because he followed his consience.
I think it was geate thing for country.

I have a question.Gverment could change?American could follow ther
consience?

Mami Murayama

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play and presentation.

I think, it is right about what Thoreau said.Then, actually the goverment like the machine.
Also, people should say their opinion more clearly.

I have aquestions.
After his this words, did the goverment something change?
And, can you say your opinion to the goverment like him?

Shoko Fukuzato

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play.
I understood Thoreau's life and mind.
He was send prison by the gorvement , but he was'nt unwilling to go to the prison.He wanted to show his resistance for the gorvement.
I have a question how many people agree with him?

Kyoko Kubo

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play.
I think he had power of action.

I could understand that he was in jail by himself to change the government and people.

I have a question. Did a way of thinking of people change by his action?

Ayumi Ninomiya

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play!It was very interested.

I have a question.
Thoreau didn't obey the government by not paying his poll tax. Are there other person like Thoreau?

Ayumi Yokoyama

kentan said...

I'm very glad to hear your presentation.It was easy to understand.
Mr. Thoreau was a genuine brave and honest man. However, to act like him is very very difficult for evryone include me, so most important thing is to have a own "law" of conscience.
Did no one approve his act and opinion??

Nozomi Mehara

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play!
I could understand about Thoreau clearly.
I read your blog.
I'm interested in the story of the Bible.
This story is easy to understand for the citizens.
Did Thoreau make any speeches to the citizens with the story like this?

shoko Matsumoto

terrette said...

Did Thoreau make any speeches to the citizens with the story like this?

Shoko Matsumoto


"Civil Disobedience" was first written as a speech. The people of Concord wanted to learn about Thoreau's time in jail, so Thoreau wrote a speech and read it to them. After that, he kept writing the speech until it became the long essay that we have been studying.

In Thoreau's essay, you can find many analogies and parables, just like the one told by Jesus Christ.

Philip Adamek

terrette said...

Thoreau didn't obey the government by not paying his poll tax. Are there other persons like Thoreau?

Ayumi Yokoyama

Yes, there are. For example, Gandhi refused to pay a tax on salt that the British had forced upon India; and Rosa Parks, a black American, refused to sit in the back of a bus so that a white person could take her seat.

These people and many others have became famous for their acts of civil disobedience. They broke laws because the laws violated their conscience.

Philip Adamek

kentan said...

It is difficult to do the right things by ourselves. Majority think persons who have different ideas strange and don't believe what they said. It takes a lot of time to believe them. If majority believe them earlier, wars or bad incidents won't take place, but most people notice that they are right after these things take place and think they shouldn't repeat these things again. It is difficult to change something.

Sayuri Kiyofuji

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation! It was very interesting!

I understood Thoreau really wanted everyone to realize that they were doing wrong thing. It is right to do what people think right and it is wrong to do what people think wrong. People should act with more courage I think.

I have a question. I don't know whether could he go out of prison or not. Could he go out of prison? And if he could, when did he go out?

Shiori Maeda

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation.

Our group presented about Threau, so I understood easily.

I think Threau is a great person, even he didn't pay the tax for the first time. He has his consience and he told everybody what he thinks. It is important to tell people what I think. I always need to have my consience. I leraned about "consience" at this time.

Nozomi Nakamura

kentan said...

I'm sorry I absented your presentaion.
I can understand your contents, because you and our topic is same!
I think Thoreau's act is important for American people.His act effected for America's society and America.

Rina Ishihara

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation! It is too full to understand "Civil Disobedience."
I couldn't understand his thought last week, so I wonder if he protest against the goverment immediately. However, I understood his thought is philosophic and deep. In my opinion, he seems pressure against the goverment gradually.

Yumi Higashi

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation!

In your presentation, you asked us to step forward if we agree with him. I agreed him, but I didn't have courage to raise my hand. I think he is brave.

Ayano Ogura

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play.
I think human should not to be mashine.
I have some questions.
What did Thoreau do when he lived in the forest besides wrote Walden about his life?

How did people,who were influenced by Thoreau's philosophy,think when they know he did not pay his tax to resist government?
I want to know your idea.

Aiko Oshima

terrette said...

Could he go out of prison? And if he could, when did he go out?

Shiori Maeda


The title of the play is "Henry Goes Home." In the last moment of the play, Thoreau returns to Walden Pond.

Thoreau spent one night in jail.

Philip Adamek

kentan said...

Thank you for your wonderful presentation.
What I thought from your presentation that when we act made by conscience, it seems that it’s easy, however, in fact, we take lots of courage.
In Japan, we tend to think that some people who have their own strong opinion different from others and can always tell their opinion is very great wisdom person or he/she has strange opinion.
For me, I tend to follow with others opinion. When I have some opinion different from others, I’m very worried because when the idea is different from others, I’m very worried how other people thought me. Therefore, I think now since your presentation that I want to be more independent spirit from others.

Chiharu Inamura

kentan said...

I knew about Henry David Thoreau in detail. I thought he must have languished in prison. I was impressed by his behavior that he didn't pay tax. I thought he was a man of firm character. I have one question. Did he have family? If so, what attitude did his family show him?


Erika Matsuda

kentan said...

I gasped with surprise at your play because we raised our hands, but no one went on the stage.
I like the opinion that each person has his or her own original standard.
Your presentation reminded me of a Japanese novel "Juryoku Pierrot" written by Kotaro Isaka. The novel also tells the importance of one's own standard. Please read it if you are interested in the novel.

Chigusa Motoyama



Thank you for your comment. I was surprised at the result that there were no people came to stage, too.
I've never read the novel you said. I'd like to read it someday. It is important that we hold our own standard.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation! It is too full to understand "Civil Disobedience."
I couldn't understand his thought last week, so I wonder if he protest against the goverment immediately. However, I understood his thought is philosophic and deep. In my opinion, he seems pressure against the goverment gradually.

Yumi Higashi





Thank you for your opinion. He had some jobs.you can see other information about Thoreau on internet.

Ai Muroya

kentan said...

Thank you for your wonderful presentation.
What I thought from your presentation that when we act made by conscience, it seems that it’s easy, however, in fact, we take lots of courage.
In Japan, we tend to think that some people who have their own strong opinion different from others and can always tell their opinion is very great wisdom person or he/she has strange opinion.
For me, I tend to follow with others opinion. When I have some opinion different from others, I’m very worried because when the idea is different from others, I’m very worried how other people thought me. Therefore, I think now since your presentation that I want to be more independent spirit from others.

Chiharu Inamura



Thank you your opinion.
I think japanese tend to like the majority, too. It is important to obey our conscience.

Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation!

In your presentation, you asked us to step forward if we agree with him. I agreed him, but I didn't have courage to raise my hand. I think he is brave.

Ayano Ogura



Thank you for your opinion. I think so too.

Ai Muroya

kentan said...

It is difficult to do the right things by ourselves. Majority think persons who have different ideas strange and don't believe what they said. It takes a lot of time to believe them. If majority believe them earlier, wars or bad incidents won't take place, but most people notice that they are right after these things take place and think they shouldn't repeat these things again. It is difficult to change something.

Sayuri Kiyofuji



Thank you for your opinion. As you said, it is difficult to change society by only myself. However, it is important to carry out my will even if there are no people on my side. Doing what is right is not for other people. It is for myself.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play and explanation. I could understand easily.

I think Thoreau is great person.

I have a question. He was against the government and he did not pay taxes. Did the government change their mind by Thoreau's action?
Please tell me the parallel of the government for his action.

Rie Ishitsuka



Thank you for your question. No, the government not changed. They attacked to Maxico.

Ai Muroya

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation.

Our group presented about Threau, so I understood easily.

I think Threau is a great person, even he didn't pay the tax for the first time. He has his consience and he told everybody what he thinks. It is important to tell people what I think. I always need to have my consience. I leraned about "consience" at this time.

Nozomi Nakamura



Thtank you your opinion.
We have our conscience,but we don't have courage to obey ours.I think we should act like Thoreau, too.
Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for good presentation!

I knew only the external fact of the Civil war and slavery. I agree with the idea and act of Thoreau by this presentation.

I think it is hard to resisit the goverment, so the brave act couldn't spread over America.

Thoreau knew the reason that Thoreau's idea and obeying own concience do not spread, but do Thoreau act anything to spread the idea?

Kaori Eguchi



Thank you for your comment. Thoreau's purpose was not to spread his idea or action. He only obeyed his conscience. For him, it is not important how majority think and act.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

I'm sorry I absented your presentaion.
I can understand your contents, because you and our topic is same!
I think Thoreau's act is important for American people.His act effected for America's society and America.

Rina Ishihara



Thank you your coment.
We are glad to explain our opinions and you can understand them.I agree with your opinion,too.

Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation and play! I really understood well. Your topic let me dropped into deep thought. This "conscience" is so deep!
By the way, I have a question. He opposed the government considerably. In the end, did he make a successful change of situation?
Shoko Nishibeppu



Thank you for question. The government not changed. They attacked to Mexico.

I have a same opinion with you. After I study about Thoreau, I was thinking about "conscience" deeply. It's little difficult for me. Thoreau gave me a chance to think about how I should do when I met a same stuation.


Ai Muroya

kentan said...

Thoreau had a strong will against majority because he believed his opinion is right.He hated the war.

I hate war, too. I think most people don't like to fight or kill others, even when people must win.

To see thoreau's act, are the number of people like thoreau(don't pay the tax) increased?


shoko yamada



Thank you for your comment. Many people in those days agreed with his idea, I think. However, they weren't able to act by obeying their idea because majority had bee paid poll-tax. The power of majority is stronger than our expectation, so it is difficult to act like Thoreau.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for good presentation.
I could understand very well.
By learning Thorau at this time, I think that it is important to act according to own conscience. I want to make the most of things that I learned at this time.
Did American's situation change?

Fukumoto Minami




Thank you for Your question. The situation not changed. The government attacked to Mexico.

Ai Muroya

kentan said...

Thank you for your performance.
I think Thoreau is smart.
I thought it was just resistance not to pay his taxes,but it was wrong. I understand he didn't pay so that the government give up the war and stop surpporting slavey.
How many people understood his idea and didn't pay their taxes?

Rie Osako



Thank you your opinion.
I will answer your questions. Many people agreed with his idia,but they couldn't obey their conscience and kept paying taxes becauce they didn't want to lose government's support.Do tou remember our play? I asked you to raise your hand if you disagree with slavery and all of you raised your hand.However when I asked you to come the prison with me, no one didn't. It is the best example of this.
Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation. It was very easy to understand.
From this article, I understood conscience is the most important word.

Thoreau was a brave man because he not only could say his opinion but also he could act on his opinion. I have a question. Did the government changed their idea for Thoreau’s action?

Kotomi Nakayama




Thank you for your question. The government's idea not changed. They attacked to Mexico.

Ai Muroya

kentan said...

Thank you for good presentation.I can understande about him and background that show America's problem.

I agrees with Naoko Fujinaga.
I think that Thoreau is brave man,too.
It is difficult for us to oppos majority. But Thoreau did that
because he followed his consience.
I think it was geate thing for country.

I have a question.Gverment could change?American could follow ther
consience?

Mami Murayama



Thank you for your comment. I'm very glad that you understood what I wanted to say. The government didn't change their mind by his action. Many American agreed with Thoreau's idea, I think. However, they couldn't act by it because majority were not against for the government. In addition, government doesn't have their conscience because it is like a machine.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your good drama.

Thoreau was against for the government,so he did't pay tax.
He was in a minornity.
Was he against for the majority alone? Or were there other people who sent to jail with Thoreau?

Kana Mantoku


Thank you your coment.
I will answer your questions.
Everyone agreed with his idea but they didn't act like him because they thought their lives is more important than disagreeing with slavery, so he opposed and he was in jail alone.

Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play and presentation.

I think, it is right about what Thoreau said.Then, actually the goverment like the machine.
Also, people should say their opinion more clearly.

I have aquestions.
After his this words, did the goverment something change?
And, can you say your opinion to the goverment like him?

Shoko Fukuzato



Thank you your question. The government not changed. They attacked to Mexico.
I disagree slavery.I can say my opinion.But japan is not in situation slavery now. I'm not sure My feeling about slavery.

AI Muroya

kentan said...

I knew about Henry David Thoreau in detail. I thought he must have languished in prison. I was impressed by his behavior that he didn't pay tax. I thought he was a man of firm character. I have one question. Did he have family? If so, what attitude did his family show him?


Erika Matsuda



Thank you for your comment. I evamined about him. According to the material, he didn't have a family though he had experience of falling in love. I think that this is why he could act like that.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play.
I understood Thoreau's life and mind.
He was send prison by the gorvement , but he was'nt unwilling to go to the prison.He wanted to show his resistance for the gorvement.
I have a question how many people agree with him?

Kyoko Kubo


Thank you for your question. I' m sorry I don't know exact number who agreed with him. However, many people in those days agreed with his idea, I think. In spite of this, they paid their poll-tax because the power of majority was strong.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play.
I think he had power of action.

I could understand that he was in jail by himself to change the government and people.

I have a question. Did a way of thinking of people change by his action?

Ayumi Ninomiya



Thank you for your comment. It is certain that Thoreau's action was great, and many people in those days agreed with his idea. However, they couldn't act as they think because they concerned the thought of majority.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

I'm very glad to hear your presentation.It was easy to understand.
Mr. Thoreau was a genuine brave and honest man. However, to act like him is very very difficult for evryone include me, so most important thing is to have a own "law" of conscience.
Did no one approve his act and opinion??

Nozomi Mehara


Thank you for your comment. I'm glad that you understood what we wanted to say. Many people in those days agreed with his idea, I think. However, action and thought are different. People didn't act as they think though they approveed Thoreau's idea.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation and play!
I think that Thoreau was brave.
I know that there were only a few people who didn't want to reform unjust laws at that time.
I have a question. Why didn't they want to reform unjust laws?

Ran Nagasaki

kentan said...

How was the reaction of the government when Thoreau said that the government looked like machine?

Masumi Fukuda


Thank you for your comment.I don't know the government's reaction , but I think the government didn't accept him, so he was put in a jail.I'm sorry I can't answer you clearly.

Iwakawa Nao

kentan said...

Thank you for your play.It is very fun and it was easy for me to understand.I was satisfied this sentence "There is only one law of conscience that each person has.
Thoreau said "the government as a machine."
What do you think about it?

Hiroe Sainohira



Thank you for your comment.
First,I don't know the meaning,but When I was explained that machines never do people bad. They need human's power by Mr.Adamek, I could understand.Now I think it is nice metaphor to tell Thoreau's idea.

Nao Iwakawa

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play.
I think human should not to be mashine.
I have some questions.
What did Thoreau do when he lived in the forest besides wrote Walden about his life?

How did people,who were influenced by Thoreau's philosophy,think when they know he did not pay his tax to resist government?
I want to know your idea.

Aiko Oshima


Thank you your coment.
I will answer your question.
I think that they thought he was right because they didn't want to keep the slavery. However, they couldn't act like him because they didn't want to be imprisoned. I think they would want to be brave like him.

Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for great play and explanation!!
I learned the importance of the conscience.I also think we should not pay money for the war.So, he wanted to show the importance of acting on one's conscience by not paying his poll tax.
Aren't there another ideas to show the importance of acting on one's conscience expect not paying his poll tax.

Yuka Kidoguchi


Thank you your coment.
I will answer your question.
I think holding demonstration against the government is good way to show his idea.However, the government wanted much money to keep the war and slavery, so I think not paying money is the best way to express his conscience.

Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation and play!
I think that Thoreau was brave.
I know that there were only a few people who didn't want to reform unjust laws at that time.
I have a question. Why didn't they want to reform unjust laws?

Ran Nagasaki



Thank you for your question. People tend to be inclined majority's opinion, so if they are the same as majority, that's okay. People didn't think about changing the law so deeply, I think.

Naoko Fujinaga

terrette said...

For him, it is not important how majority think and act.

Naoko Fujinaga


There is a nuance we must keep in mind on this point. For Thoreau, it is not important how the majority think and act WHEN IT COMES TO DECIDING WHAT I SHOULD DO. However, that does not mean that, for Thoreau, it does not matter what the majority thinks or does. His point is that, in making my own decision, I should look to my conscience first, not to the majority. If I do this, and if others do the same, then the majority will do what is right more often than if it only acts AS A MAJORITY.

Philip Adamek