Thursday, July 12, 2007

(日) The Beat Trial

I really would like to stop working forever--never work again, never do anything like the kind of work I'm doing now--and do nothing but write poetry and have leisure to spend the day outdoors and go to museums and see friends. And I'd like to keep living with someone -- maybe even a man -- and explore relationships that way. And cultivate my perceptions, cultivate the visionary thing in me. Just a literary and quiet city-hermit existence.
Allen Ginsberg

On this audio clip, we hear Allen Ginsberg reading and discussing his famous poem, "Howl."

On this audio clip
, we hear Allen Ginsberg debating about drugs with his father in 1971.

The Beat Trial
A one-act play.

元山 千草 Allen Ginsberg, American poet
亀澤 好乃 Mr. Turtle, the lawyer
江口 佳央理 Judge Gucci
山田 祥子 Mr. Hillfield, salesperson
村山 麻美 Ms. Murayama, NHK reporter

村山: はい、村山です。私は今サンフランシスコの裁判所の前に来ています。今日はアメリカの詩人アレンゲンズバーグ氏の公然わいせつの裁判が開かれまが、ここでいったん、CMに入ります。

Mr. Hillfield: Are your windows dirty? Have you any dirt in your house? Do you feel dirty yourself? Well, America's favorite company, Quick Clean, has just the product for you. If you use Quick Clean, you will never have to clean your windows again. Yes, Quick Clean will clean your whole house. Spray it everywhere. Spray it on your bed, spray it on your car, spray it on your children. Use Quick Clean, and even your children will look and feel clean. Indeed, the whole world feels clean with Quick Clean. Try Quick Clean… we promise that you will like it. Quick Clean! 
村山: これが1950年代にみられる典型的なコマーシャルですね。みなさん御存じのとおり、この時代、アメリカ政府はアメリカ人に新しい日用品を買わせるために攻撃的なテレビやラジオのコマーシャルを用いて、世界にその経済力をみせつけていました。それはすべてソビエト連邦に対する闘争であり、世界中の共産主義者がアメリカの脅威であることを悟られました。無情なコマーシャルは、アメリカを強く、そして共産主義者から救う方法としてアメリカ社会に広まっていきました。家やトースター、洗剤、おもちゃ、そして特に車などといったものを買うことは愛国的なことであるとして宣伝されました。さらに、共産主義者は、あらゆる場所で政府の人間に捕まえられ、国や国民にとっての脅威だと考えられていました。たくさんの芸術家、作家、役者のような伝統に従わないライフスタイルの人々は共産主義者に間違えられ、訴えられました。政府のブラックリストに載っていたたくさんの人々はちゃんとした仕事に就けなかった自らをBeatライラーズと呼んだ人々はそのような時代背景に反対し、伝統を守る人や商業本意の人に挑戦を始めた。これらの作家は独特の表現で主流のアンチコミュニストの宣伝に反抗し、1960年代のたくさんの社会運動に多大な影響を与えました。彼らは韓国やベトナムの戦争に反対し、ドラッグを使い、ジャズに感化されたような表現でたくさんの異なる政治的な考えを示しました。そして、大衆向けのスピーチやユーモアを使うことにより、重要な社会的疑問を投げかけました。彼らは、田舎で同じような家に住んでいる異性愛者達を批判し、自らは気の向くまま、街から街へ移り住む生活を送っていました。詩人、アレンはそのようなビート作家の一人でした。では、アレン・ギンズバーグ被告のいる法廷に入り、ミスター・ギンズバーグに反対する弁護士の主張を聞いてみましょう。

Mr. Turtle: Are you Mr. Allen Ginsberg?
Ginsberg: Yes.
Mr. Turtle: And did you write the poem called “America,” just last year, that is, in the fall of 1956?
Mr. Ginsberg: Yes.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg, do you know why you have been brought here today?
Mr. Ginsberg: To read my poem?
Mr. Turtle: No!... I will do that.
Mr. Ginsberg: Why, thank you.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg! (Turning to the judge) Your honor, I would like to read a few lines of Mr. Ginsberg’s poem, if I may.
Judge Gucci: Go ahead.
Mr. Turtle: I would like to ask Mr. Ginsberg to explain what the words of his poem mean. I think that everyone will understand that Mr. Ginsberg is a sick man, and that his poem is dangerous and should not be read by the young people of this country.
Now, Mr. Ginsberg, in your poem “America,” you ask, “When can I go into the supermarket and buy what I need with my good looks?” May I ask you, Mr. Ginsberg, what you mean by this?
Mr. Ginsberg: I sometimes watch TV.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg, are you listening to me?
Mr. Ginsberg: And that’s the feeling I get. The TV commercials and programs. They are filled with beautiful people who can do anything they want. They can have anything they want. They do not work.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg, whom are you talking to in this poem?
Mr. Ginsberg: To the reader.
Mr. Turtle: But you keep saying, “America,” “America,” “America…”
Mr. Ginsberg: Well, I’m talking to America.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg, who is “America”?
Mr. Ginsberg: That’s my question. I ask that same question in the poem. Who is accepted in America?
Mr. Turtle: But Mr. Ginsberg, in the same poem, you also write, “It occurs to me that I am America.” So, does that mean that you wrote this poem to yourself?
Mr. Ginsberg: If you think that I have a place in America, then “yes” is my answer.
Mr. Turtle: I do not believe this poem has a place in America. And I think it is quite crazy to write a poem to oneself. Now, let me give another example. In the same poem, you write, “I used to be a communist when I was a kid I’m not sorry.” What do you mean by that? Are you a communist today?
Mr. Ginsberg: I think communists are interesting people. Especially American communists.
Mr. Turtle: Answer my question. Are you a communist?
Mr. Ginsberg: I am afraid that I do not know, sir. But this trial is about a poem, right? Not about communists.
Mr. Turtle: This trial is about America.
Mr. Ginsberg: Oh, good. I like that topic. I wrote a poem about it last year.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg. This is a serious matter.
Judge Gucci: Mr. Turtle, you are not Senator Joe McCarthy, and this is not a hunt for communists. Please discuss the poem. ★

村山: まぁ、グッチ裁判長の言い分はなんておもしろいのでしょう!1950年代にマッカーシーは国中の何千ものアメリカ人と政府内の共産主義者を訴えました。彼のそのような運動は国に大きな恐怖を与え、多くの人々が共産主義者だという容疑のもと、逮捕されました。アレン・ギンズバーグもまた、共産主義者なのでしょうか?引き続き彼らの主張をきいてみましょう。

(Anti-Communist Senator Joe McCarthy)

Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg, you also wrote in the same poem that “I smoke marijuana every chance I get.” Do you smoke marijuana, Mr. Ginsberg?
Mr. Ginsberg: In my poem, I do.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg, I am not talking about your poem.
Mr. Ginsberg: I thought that’s what we were talking about.
Mr. Turtle: I mean, in real life, do you smoke marijuana?
Mr. Ginsberg: Well, it is not illegal, is it?
Mr. Turtle: No, but it is not normal.
Mr. Ginsberg: Well, I may not be normal, Mr. Turtle.
Mr. Turtle: Your poem is definitely not normal, and that is the problem.
Mr. Ginsberg: There is no such thing as a normal poem, Mr. Turtle.
Mr. Turtle: Mr. Ginsberg! Why do you say you smoke marijuana if you don’t really smoke it?
Mr. Ginsberg: Mr. Turtle, when I write the word “I,” I do not mean “I, Allen Ginsberg.”
Mr. Turtle: Who do you mean, then?
Mr. Ginsberg: America.
Mr. Turtle: I don’t understand.
Judge Gucci: Mr. Ginsberg, please answer the questions clearly.
Mr. Turtle: You also write, “America stop pushing I know what I’m doing.” So, you are talking to America, right? And you say that America is pushing, right?
Mr. Ginsberg: Yes.
Mr. Turtle: Whom is America pushing?
Mr. Ginsberg: The greatest minds of its generation. It is pushing them out. Making them go crazy. Beating them down.
Judge Gucci: Gentlemen, this is not a political discussion group. I will ask you one more time. Please talk about the poem.
Mr. Turtle: But, your honor, this man calls himself a “Beat poet.” To understand his poem, I have to know what he means by “beat poet” or “beat writer.”
Judge Gucci: OK, go ahead.
Mr. Turtle: Explain yourself, Mr. Ginsberg. What is a “beat writer?”
Mr. Ginsberg: Beat writers are down-and-out writers. They are not wealthy and powerful, and they do not take the side of the wealthy and famous. They side with those whom society has beaten down, with the excluded. But that is only one meaning of “beat.” “Beat” also, as you know, has a religious meaning. It refers to the blessed, as in the word “beatitude.” I like this second meaning, because in a commercial society, art plays a role like that of religion. It can be a spiritual guide to young people in particular. The beat writer works alone, not in groups, and the beat writer tries to develop his own inner self and mind. ★

村山: ギンズバーグ氏が今ビートライターについての説明をしました。ビートという考え方は2つの意味を含んでいます。1つは「負かされ、疎外された」という意味、そしてもう1つは「神の恵みを受けた、モノより心に関心のある」という意味です。

Mr. Turtle: So, I am supposed to believe that this poem is written by a down-and-out but blessed American writer?
Mr. Ginsberg: I think so.
Mr. Turtle: But what good is the poem?
Mr. Ginsberg: I cannot answer that question.
Judge Gucci: Mr. Turtle, do you have no more questions?
Mr. Turtle : No, your honor.
Judge Gucci: Then I will ask the jury to decide whether Mr. Ginsberg is guilty of public indecency. (Stands and talks to the students in the audience.) I will give you five minutes. Please tell me your decision when I return. (He leaves the room.)

村山:(驚いた様子で)はぁ、これは驚きました…。グッチ裁判長は皆さんに、ギンズバーグ氏が有罪か無罪か判決を下してもらおうと思っています。ここで皆さんに4,5人のグループを作って話し合ってもらいます。そしてそれぞれのグループに有罪か無罪か1つの答えを出してもらいます。

The judge returns.

村山: そしてこの判決の前に、コマーシャルをもう1つお送りしましょう。

Mr. Hillfield: Are you worried about Communists? Do Communists live near you? Do they talk to your children? Well, America's favorite company, Quick Clean, has a new product for you. Yes, Quick Clean now has a Communist Detector. It will help you to find Communists everywhere. Just turn this dial―like this―and if there are Communists near you, this little light will become red. Use Quick Clean's new Communist Detector, and you and your whole family will be free of Communism. Indeed, the whole world will be free with Quick Clean. Try Quick Clean's Communist Detector…. we promise that you will like it. Quick Clean!
Judge Gucci: OK, if you think Mr. Ginsberg is guilty, please raise your hands. (Pause) And if you think Mr. Ginsberg is innocent, please raise your hands.
The defendant is guilty/ innocent.

The actors come to center-stage and bow.

END OF PLAY

READ ALLEN GINSBERG'S POEM "America."

HISTORICAL TRIAL: What was the consequence of the real trial?

The main reason the poem was attacked is that it contained strong language. Today, strong language is used everywhere--in poetry, in books, in movies. However, the 1950s were very different from today. As this article explains, the fact that the editor of "Howl" was proclaimed innocent meant that other books could use "dirty words" and not be confiscated. The victory of "Howl" was a victory for the freedom to use many kinds of English. It also made "Howl" and the City Lights bookstore (where it was sold) very popular.

As Allen Ginsberg said (in the interview linked to above):
"It (the poem) got to be well known... because it was of some real sincerity and quality, and it was a genuine person writing about genuine life. And then the police were trying to ban genuine life, so it just turned into, like, a cause célèbre."
Question: What do you think Ginsberg means by the expression "a genuine life."

The Beat Period, Yoshino Kamesawa

.The United States faught against Soviet and world communism.

.Women and blacks had gotten many jobs during World War II, but many lost their jobs after the war was over because there wasn't much need for weapons and arms.

.The U.S. government needed a lot of money to win the space race after the Soviets took the lead by being the first to go around the Earth in space (in "Sputnik").

.The U.S. government realized the power of TV to strengthen its consumerist society. They began to use TV to make people want to buy many things. As the result, the economy continued to grow after the war, and the TV had a very big influence on the culture generally.

.While material wealth increased, there were others who prefered spiritural and intellectual power. Some of these writers became known as "Beat writers."

A Culture of Containment, Chigusa Motoyama

What is the "Beat" Generation and what is a "Beatnik"?

After World War II, life in America was infested with a Culture of Containment (封じ込めの文化). Exemplified best by McCarthyism, there was a containment of communism and a explosion of consumerism (消費主義). Men went off to work, and women were contained in their houses. People who didn't adapt to American society ware contained in mental hospitals or prisons. It seemed like everyone else would have a job, security, and happiness.

A few writers at the time, however, found that such a society was too restrictive. The small group of writers threw away the rich American life to create a greater sense of being alive. In objecting to the conservative society, many of them listened to jazz, had goatees, and approved of drugs, alcohol, free sex, and homosexuality. Allen Ginsberg, the author of the poem "Howl," Jack Kerouac, and William S. Burroughs were the nucleus of the group. They called themselves the "Beat Generation."

The word "beat" has two meanings. On one hand, "beat" has negative meanings like "having been cheated or defeated," and "having no money." On the other hand, "beat" has a positive meaning, as in the similar, religious words "beatitude" and "beatific." So they thought of themselves as people who, although they were cheated and excluded from mainstream society, were nonetheless more spiritually alive then most people. In this sense, they were blessed with a life much richer than that of rich and thoughtless Americans.

People who thought that the beat generation was a serious threat to American society often called them "beatnik" after the name of a Soviet Union satellite called "Sputnik." The beat writers didn't like to be called "beatnik" because they saw it as a cheap stereotype. Beat literature is part of American culture, too, and they felt that their role in America was important. You may think that they are strange, dirty, and incomprehensible, but I don't think the beats had only a bad influence on American society. They warned Americans not to let their freedoms be taken away.

About Allen Ginsberg, Mami Murayama

Allen Ginsberg (June 3,1926-April 5,1997) was an American poet. He is known as a beat writer. His father was a highschool teacher and a poet. He was a Jewish immigrant from Russia. Allen Ginsberg's mother was also an immigrant from Russia. She suffered from a mental disease.

Allen entered Columbia University. He was going to become a college professor or lawyer in accordance with his father's wish, but he came under the influence of friends who later became representatives of the Beat Generation. Once, he wrote some strong language on the University dormitory's wall.Because of it, he was thrown out of Columbia University.

He returned to school but left again after only three weeks.

When he was 30, his mother died. After that, he received the doctor's diagnosis. The doctor said to Allen, "Be yourself". These two events were an opportunity for him to write poems.

He announced "HOWL" in poetry reading that was held in San Francisco. This influenced many people and was spoken of very highly. It was the start for Allen Ginsberg as a poet.

He wanderded around America and Africa, reading his poems. He participated in pacifism, anti-nuclear power plant demonstrations, gay pride demonstrations, and demonstrations to protect the coral reefs in Shiraho, Japan.

He was killed by liver cancer in his apartment in New York at the age of 71. Before he died, he wrote "Death and Fame," which was read at his funeral.

45 comments:

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation. It was easy to understand. I read the poem. Allen Ginsberg shouted a lot of his thinking what he wanted to tell. I could understand his feeling.
I wonder why he put "Her"and "Him" on this peom.(I mean the end of the sentence.)

"Her wants to grab Chicago. Her needs a Red Reader's Digest. her wants our
auto plants in Siberia. Him big bureaucracy running our fillingstations.
That no good. Ugh. Him makes Indians learn read. Him need big black niggers.
Hah. Her make us all work sixteen hours a day. Help. "

Nozomi Nakamura

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presantation. I think you chose nice topic.

The conversation between Mr.turtle
and Mr.ginsberg is very interesting for me.During I read your articles,I had a fun.You say that anticommunists used speech and humor for people.
Please tell me the example about the humor which is used by Mr.ginsberg.

Nao Iwakawa

kentan said...

Thank you your play!
I think America hated communism at that time and it didn't want to spred this idea. For this reason, every freedom of expresion was restricted unjustly. I think Ginsberg was innocent because he just expressed his mind.

Ayami Ijichi

kentan said...

Thank you for your interesting play! It was so funny that I enjoyed it very much.

In those days, American government wanted to control all of the nations, I think. As you played, Ginsberg seemed like a strange man because his answer to the lawyer often got off the subject. However, his existence gave the nations a chance of thinking. I'd like to know more about him someday.

Naoko Fujinaga

kentan said...

Thank you for your good performance! It was very interesting for me and, I could understand well.

I think, he is not guilty because he wrote about only what he think.

In your article,in America,people thought that comminist is threat.
I would like to know why did they think so?

Shoko Fukuzato

kentan said...

Thank you good presentation!

I understand that there were some communist, and what is communist.

I have a question. Why they hated to people who love different sex and live in country side?
Did they think sach a person is not good?

Ai Muroya

kentan said...

Thank you for your good a play. It was very interesting and easy to understand for me.
I think this poem is good because poem is a way to express what he mean. Then I have a question. Why communists are taken by government and why they are thought threat for citizen? Please tell me.

Ayumi Ninomiya

kentan said...

Thank you for your great pray.You wore the shirt and suit so you look smart lawyer!

I understood his personality.
I have a question.
Why the American gorvement to punish the communist in the 1950s?
And why America and Russia were ugly condition each other?

Kyoko Kubo

kentan said...

Thank you for your play!
It was perfect!!

I think that Ginsberg was innocent because he wrote his thinking.
What did other people think about this poem "America"?

Do they have critical opinion?

Ayumi Yokoyama

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play. First, I couldn't undertand this play's contents, but now I understand a little.
His poem of America appeal people's meaning. Then I have two questions.Did his this poem influence people in America?How? And America is written "Russia",
so how did relationship between America and Russia?

Rina Ishihara

kentan said...

Thank you for your play.
I think Allen Ginsberg was a wise person.
His poem has deep meaning in it.
I read his poem "America".
His poem has many expressions of metaphor.
Is there any poets like him?

Shoko Matsumoto

kentan said...

Thank you for your trial, commercial, reporter! The most important thing in your presentation is the poem but, I could not understand totally. It is so difficult for me. Allen Ginsberg wrote a lot of thing. I think the poem is inconsistent. Could you explain the significance of this poem? What is the important point?

Shoko Nishibeppu

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play!!
I thought he is so strange man.

I have questions.
What did he want to say in his poem exactly?

Why America want to shaw off thier power for other countries?

Rie Ishitsuka

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play.
I can understand this content easily.

I think that he is innocent. This is because everyone has freedom of expression.

Kana Mantoku

kentan said...

Thank you for your play. It is interesting for me and I understood.

I was confused me Mr.Ginsberg's answer at first because he didn't say clearly.
Why didn't he say clearly? Because of smoking marijuana?

Rie Osako

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play. If there were't the person's like Ginsberg, today's America, freedom country we understand may not exit. Probabry, they were loving their own country America so they want to change the way of thinking at that time. I think they played a very important role for America.
Did their thinking accepted by the people at that time??

Nozomi Maehara

terrette said...

To EVERYONE:

Please ask questions about the play and the poem. The students of group Sunday have not studied "Communism" or "politics of the 1950s." Such topics are only BACKGROUND information.

See Nozomi Nakamura's question for a GOOD example.

Philip Adamek

terrette said...

Why didn't he say clearly? Because of smoking marijuana?

Rie Osako


Of course, Ginsberg did respond clearly. The judge and the lawyer may have not understood him, but his answers were perfectly clear and logical. Read the play one more time and I think you will agree.

Philip Adamek

kentan said...

Thank you for your interesting presentation. Your play was very interesting!

I found Allen Ginsebrg was stlange but clever man because of his speech. He expressed his idea well through his poem.

I have a question. Our judgement in Friday morning was innocence, and you said real judgement was innocent too.Why was he innocence? Please tell me the reason.

Shiori Maeda

terrette said...

Why was he innocence? Please tell me the reason.

Shiori Maeda


This is a good question. Before I let group Sunday find the answer, I want to point out something important:

In real life, Ginsberg himself was not charged with anything. Rather, the publisher, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, was charged with "obscenity" for publishing Ginsberg's poem "Howl."

According to the website below, which tells the whole story, the police "arrested bookdealer-poet Lawrence Ferlinghetti and sales clerk Shigeyoshi Murao for defying their order and selling "Howl" at Ferlinghetti's small, financially struggling City Lights bookstore in the city's Bohemian community."

The story of the real trial is here:

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=13187

Philip Adamek

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation.
His poem is very difficult for me, so I can't understand his poem much. In his poem , does "you" express America? Or in this poem, language of " America" was writeen again and again. To inform America of his thinking,Was this poem created for America, not for American people?

Fukumoto Minami

terrette said...

In his poem , does "you" express America? Or in this poem, language of " America" was writeen again and again. To inform America of his thinking,Was this poem created for America, not for American people?

Fukumoto Minami


Excuse me, but why not read the play? The character Allen Ginsberg answers your questions at his trial!

Philip Adamek

kentan said...

Thank you for your great presentation. I have two feeling about your topic. The first thing is about CM. I knew for the first time that CM is used by U.S.A government for American people to buy daily necessaries in those days. To tell the truth, the government attempt to show their strong economic power to the whole world. I was very surprised about it because CM always gives viewer to effect strongly. Second is about your performance, especially Allen Ginsberg by Ms. Motoyama. I was very interested in her act, because it's seemed her act that she couldn't tell anything what she really thought. How did you make your performance to show Allen Ginsberg's feeling?

Chiharu Inamura

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation. It was easy to understand. I read the poem. Allen Ginsberg shouted a lot of his thinking what he wanted to tell. I could understand his feeling.
I wonder why he put "Her"and "Him" on this peom.(I mean the end of the sentence.)

"Her wants to grab Chicago. Her needs a Red Reader's Digest. her wants our
auto plants in Siberia. Him big bureaucracy running our fillingstations.
That no good. Ugh. Him makes Indians learn read. Him need big black niggers.
Hah. Her make us all work sixteen hours a day. Help. "

Nozomi Nakamura


I had the same doubt. actually we do not know why he used "him" as "he." in my opinion, however, I guess he tried to destroy even the grammer. as you know, he didn't like too much indetical thoughts or ways to live.

Yoshino Kamesawa

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation. It was so fun and easy to understand.

I think Allen Ginsberg was frank and free man because he told his true idea through his poem but I think he was strange a little.
I agree to his judgment because it is freedom to expression in poem.

Kotomi Nakayama

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation. It was very exciting.
I know that people who didn't adapt to American society were contained in mental hospitals or prisons after World War II. I think it was very terrible.
I have a question. Is this involved in the Culture of Containment?

Ran Nagasaki

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation. I was interested in the way that we decide whether he was guilty or not.I thought he was innocence, because he had the right to write his thought. You said he was really innocent. I want to know the reason.

Ayano Ogura

terrette said...

I had the same doubt. actually we do not know why he used "him" as "he." in my opinion, however, I guess he tried to destroy even the grammer. as you know, he didn't like too much indetical thoughts or ways to live.

Yoshino Kamesawa


I think this is a good answer, but I would also add something: the poem tries to move beyond "classical" poetry. It uses grammar in a way that people "in the street" would use it. So, because people in the street sometimes talk like that, Ginsberg uses the broken English. The poem is not only written "to America"; it is also written "from America"; or, "from Americans."

That is my sense.

Philip Adamek

terrette said...

Second is about your performance, especially Allen Ginsberg by Ms. Motoyama. I was very interested in her act, because it's seemed her act that she couldn't tell anything what she really thought. How did you make your performance to show Allen Ginsberg's feeling?

Chiharu Inamura


This is a very good question, because you ask another student about what she did to prepare for the presentation. At the beginning of the class, I encouraged everyone to ask such questions.

Philip Adamek

kentan said...

Thank you for your presentation and particular explanation!
I thought Allen Ginsberg became a beatnik to oppose the U.S. government, but as I read your article, I supposed that the U.S. government made him to be a beatnik. I thought he just made his work with free sensibility.

Yumi Higashi

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play. If there were't the person's like Ginsberg, today's America, freedom country we understand may not exit. Probabry, they were loving their own country America so they want to change the way of thinking at that time. I think they played a very important role for America.
Did their thinking accepted by the people at that time??

Nozomi Maehara


I can't answer with YES or NO for your question, but it is true that Allen Ginsberg's poem HOWL is one of most famous poems in U.S. still now.

Yoshino Kamesawa

kentan said...

Thank you your play!
I think America hated communism at that time and it didn't want to spred this idea. For this reason, every freedom of expresion was restricted unjustly. I think Ginsberg was innocent because he just expressed his mind.

Ayami Ijichi


In fact Mr.Ginsberg was innocent, but it was not because he expressed his mind but because poems was just poems. Judge Gucci ruled that Mr.Ginsberg wrote as works (poems).

Kaori Eguchi

kentan said...

Thank you for your good play.
I can understand this content easily.

I think that he is innocent. This is because everyone has freedom of expression.

Kana Mantoku


I agree with your opinion.
In real trial, Mr.ginsberg was innocent because his works were judged as poems, or as one way of expression.

Kaori Eguchi

kentan said...

I found Allen Ginsebrg was stlange but clever man because of his speech. He expressed his idea well through his poem.

I have a question. Our judgement in Friday morning was innocence, and you said real judgement was innocent too.Why was he innocence? Please tell me the reason.

Shiori Maeda


Thank you fou your good question.
In real trial, Mr.Ginsberg was innocent because his poem was judged as works. Judge Gucci ruled that his poems was not his thinkings but art works.

Kaori Eguchi

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play!
I didn't know this story until I watched your play, but I could understand clearly about story's
content to watch your play.

I had the highest respect for your acting ability, because as if characters seemed to be there.

I have a question for play.
What did you take care when you act your character?
I felt Ms. Motoyama(Allen Ginsberg) act look like a wonder and an unearthly. Ms.Kamesawa(Mr. Turtle)act an enthusiastic man and speak clearly.

How do you feel to the character when you finished to act?
I want to know your impression from the standpoint of the performed side.

Aiko Oshima

kentan said...

Your blog told that "Beat" had two meanings. One is "beat."(負かす、疎外された)The other is "beatitude."(至福) Why do you think down-and-out writers is beat writers? Why do you think he or people used "beat" which had two opposite meanings? (裕福でもなく、力もない作家を英語で表すのになぜ「負かす」と「至福」という2つのまるで反対の意味を持つ"beat"を使ってbeat writerと表現したのだと思いますか?)

Sayuri Kiyofuji

kentan said...

I thought this content is difficult.
I have a question. Why Mr.
Ginsberg didn't answer Mr. Turtle's questions? Was he a mental disorder?


Erika Matsuda

kentan said...

Thank you for your great play!
I didn't know this story until I watched your play, but I could understand clearly about story's
content to watch your play.

I had the highest respect for your acting ability, because as if characters seemed to be there.

I have a question for play.
What did you take care when you act your character?
I felt Ms. Motoyama(Allen Ginsberg) act look like a wonder and an unearthly. Ms.Kamesawa(Mr. Turtle)act an enthusiastic man and speak clearly.

How do you feel to the character when you finished to act?
I want to know your impression from the standpoint of the performed side.

Aiko Oshima


Thank you.
fisrt, we tried not to give the true result which is Allen Ginsberg was not guilty to you jury. we designed to make you think.

second,it is important to every one in a group to try to work on with each best.although it was Mr.Adamek who made the excellent script, we the actors understood the content and expression by his passionate instruction. it was not only about the play, buy also about the whole activity as a group.

as my comment of the play, it was a little difficult when I needed to be a right person despite of government's crazy mind.

I appreciate your comment.

Yoshino Kamesawa

kentan said...

In your article,in America,people thought that comminist is threat.
I would like to know why did they think so?

Shoko Fukuzato


first, american belives in freedom and democracy.but communist doesn't work that way, although every thing seems fair.
secondly,communist is taking over many countrys around that time.americans believed in "domino's theory". if a country becomes communist, then more and more countrys will become communist too.then, as a result, US will fall into communist.so they want to stop the spread of communist.this example can be seen in China, Korea, Vietnam, and Cuba
.communism was the enemy of Capitalism. American's don't like it.

Yoshino Kamesawa

kentan said...

I think Allen Ginsberg was frank and free man because he told his true idea through his poem but I think he was strange a little.
I agree to his judgment because it is freedom to expression in poem.

Kotomi Nakayama


Your opinion is a relevant remark.
Allen Ginsberg was considered a strange man, but, in real trial, his poems was regard as works, that is to say one way of expression's freedom.

Kaori Eguchi

kentan said...

Thank you for your good presentation. I was interested in the way that we decide whether he was guilty or not.I thought he was innocence, because he had the right to write his thought. You said he was really innocent. I want to know the reason.

Ayano Ogura


Thank you for your question.
In real trial, the reason that the judgement was innocent is because everyone has the right of expression's freedom. His poems was regarded as a kind of works.

Kaori Eguchi

terrette said...

The comments by Kamesawa-san and Eguchi-san just above mine are well made.

The "domino theory" was very popular, indeed, as a way to justify "anti-communist" violence at home and abroad for many years. Today, some American politicians seem to be counting the "dominoes of terrorism."

The victory of "Howl" was a victory for writing of all kinds, not only literature. If "Howl" had been judged "obscene," then many other books would have been banned because of "strong language."

Today, "strong language" is very common in all kinds of writing.

Philip Adamek

terrette said...

p.s. I do not deserve all the credit for the script. Kamesawa-san wrote the first draft after talking with fellow group members, and the group members' comments and individual talents influenced the writing I did. I also received direct and indirect suggestions for revisions from several group members.

Philip Adamek

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kentan said...

How did you make your performance to show Allen Ginsberg's feeling?

Chiharu Inamura

Thank you for your question, and I'm sorry for being late to answer your question.
Through studying about Ginsberg, I found his unique and avant-garde thoughts. I played Ginsberg so that I express the unique air he has.

Chigusa Motoyama